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This entry is part 35 of 35 in the series 365 Challenge

The current prompts are leaving me dull and uninspired. Seeking creative procrastination: ask me any question about how something works in a storyworld, a why that's been pestering you, or any backstory you just really want to know, and I'll commentfic it.

If that doesn't inspire you, how about a character (original or fandom) and something crazy you would dare them to do.

Originally published at Liana Mir. You can comment here or there.

Date: 2013-05-22 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Hmm.

Closest thing I can get to those things is wanting to see a rothnen pair that's happy with each other/glad to find the one from their dreams.

Most of my other thoughts were more angsty lyrics that I refused to touch because I was already depressed, so... I'm with you. Out of prompts. :(

Date: 2013-05-22 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
If you leave out the angst of her being short-lived compared to him, sure.

I was kind of hoping for an actual Rothnen pair that didn't have an issue with being rothnen unlike Rhinannon. I'd like to see it being a positive thing for people for a change.

Date: 2013-05-22 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Whatever works best is fine.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon

Date: 2013-05-22 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Okay, I'm thinking I probably need some clarity on what it means to be a dragon in Vardin and on the different types of bonds, too.

Also not sure where these two fit into what I've read other than I recognize the name Calai.

And how would one say her name?

Yay, I feel so smart tonight. :P

Re: To Dance with a Dragon

Date: 2013-05-22 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Ah, yes. I keep trying to see it as a real dragon or shapeshifting. *sigh*

Rothnarak are almost like Magneto and the brotherhood, then?

Okay. Good to know.

Right. I've seen Zh pronounced J, and I kind of figured that it was more J, but I wanted to be sure.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon

Date: 2013-05-22 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Huh. Queen's bond seems creepy to me. I wouldn't find it reassuring, but then... I'm not from Vardin.

I think I understand the gift bonds the best.



Re: To Dance with a Dragon

Date: 2013-05-22 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
I don't know. I'm starting to think I should stick to Kingdoms and Thorn because that at least I understand, but there's so much history and lore and terminology that trips me up in Vardin, and what I think I understand I don't understand.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon

Date: 2013-05-23 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Whenever I can, I sneak in someone who doesn't know what's going on so that I can have the explanation come out if I can't figure out a way to ease the details into the story itself.

Then again, I have others where the explanation just refuses to come.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon

Date: 2013-05-23 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
The kids get educated about the past and their roles, though, so that might be a possibility, having a parent/teacher/tutor explaining it to someone else.

(Now I must admit... I did that with the Memory Collector when I realized there was too much unexplained history.)

Yeah, that's probably it. I've filled in the blanks for myself a few times, and I usually guess wrong.

Re: Blood of Dragons [3/3]

Date: 2013-05-23 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Shaina is Casal?

No... but maybe related somehow? Reread Crossing the Barrier, but still didn't know for sure.

She sounds a lot like... Rogue. Yet... she has mastery so that she doesn't kill.

She also sounds a bit like Ashen.

And everyone is afraid of the dragons?

I admit my brain's not with me again. Is this an earlier piece? Where does it fall in the timeline?

Re: Blood of Dragons [3/3]

Date: 2013-05-23 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Oh. I didn't realize she was on one of the other teams, even after rereading it. I guess I didn't pay enough attention.

Ah, like the supercharged Rogue, only a bit different. Cool.

The sword thing threw me off. I was thinking it must be earlier.

So... Dragons are kind of... outcasts even among the kahtchen?

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-25 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
I think I have figured out a huge part of my problem. We have different views on soulmates.

All I could think after the first time I read this was how much more I hated Rhinnon's decision.

Then I reread it, picked up more of the history and the customs, and I'm thinking that the way I see soul mates is a huge part of my inability to understand Vardin. I always thought that if there was one person you were meant to be with, you want to be with them no matter what. Most of us, we don't get to find that in this world, but if we do, we hold onto it. Like Stone never giving up on Occie because he knew she was his other half. The idea of these people being born bonded and able to find their person and yet still somehow turn away from that... That I just don't get. I can't wrap my head around that logic. I want to say if they're soulmates, they're soulmates. End of story. I know it's not that simple, but if I were to make a story where soulmates knew that the other was out there somewhere, in my world, there's no way they'd have to deepen their bond. That bond was there from the beginning.

So... I'm starting to think I don't want to know more about the Rothnen. :(

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-25 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
I'm sorry. I guess I shouldn't have tried to clarify things there. I still wasn't clear, and I almost tried to do it in this reply, but I stopped myself.

This is one of those agree to disagree cases, and yes, I do think I will avoid Vardin from now on.

I didn't want to stop, wanted to like the stories, and I did enjoy prompting you.
Edited Date: 2013-05-25 02:22 am (UTC)

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-26 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
And that's why I said I wasn't clear. The dumb thing is that I do believe people need time to know each other. I don't really believe in first sight. Like, maybe, but not love.

What bothers me about the Rothnen can be boiled down to this principle: that anyone looking at a woman with passion already committed adultery with her in their heart. Since they do dream of the other in that way, I feel like they should be committed to each other. That's the bond that was already too strong to my mind. That's why if they did choose anyone else, it would be like cheating.

Then there's the way that they come of age at sixteen. It's a different world, yes, but the idea of them having those dreams when they're that young and younger... That bothers me as well. It's not that I don't think that people do have them at that age in our world, but for me, it's too young.

I do think it's better that most Rothnen do marry their rothnen or stay single.

I think, having gotten most of my exposure to Rothnen culture from Rhiannon first, my feelings toward her and her choice colored all the others. I didn't have enough background on what the bond was like, what the etiquette was, or how other couples found their way. Still, I keep going back to her, and it ruins my ability to read stories about Rothnen, and she's the exception. I just wish I'd not seen the exception before the rule, I guess.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-26 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Sometimes we can't help the stories that come out. Some just refuse to be ignored even if they're not the ones we want to write or even that we should write. *sigh*


Oh. I don't think I quite got that there were more to the dreams than just... that. I realize that Etienne said something to that effect, but it just didn't stick out enough to me (I'd suggest a short flashback with one of the couples where one remembers a dream that's not explicit for the sake of clarity there, and it could go a long way toward helping understanding of the bond, too, maybe.)

I don't remember getting the sense that sixteen was maturity before the first version of To Dance, and so mixing it with the Rothnen dreams was... unsettling. (Jhemet's wanting Etienne the man to notice her made me uncomfortable, but then I didn't get until this one that he wasn't that much older than her.) If I'd read Akena's piece first, I might not have reacted the same way. She was different. She called herself a little girl, but she didn't act like one, which is my usual trouble with stories about teenagers: they lack the maturity to handle the situations they've been put in (or just every day life, depending on the author.)

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-26 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
Well, I think even with betas we miss things. It goes back to everyone being different and coming in with different perspectives. Other readers will point out things me and my betas never saw.

You're welcome.

Akena does a lot to give insight not just into what it is to be a dragon but also to how one reaches maturity in Vardin, at least for me. She was important to understanding a lot of the world.

I had meant to tell you that I appreciated the historical details you'd worked into Etienne's version of the scene.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-26 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
I've got nothing in the way of prompts at the moment.

My brain is a mess.

Re: To Dance with a Dragon [2/2], Redux

Date: 2013-05-26 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pygmymuse.livejournal.com
I am sort of on a break. It's weird not to write, but I don't know how I can right now. Everything is tainted, and I just don't think I should write.

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