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This entry is part 23 of 23 in the series Daily Scribble Reports

So playing total catch-up here (I know, I know). On Thursday, I managed to write some at the end in the Justus POV fic of "Its Own Absolution" due to a wonderful antagonists prompt from in_the_blue. It gave me a good headstart. I percolated a lot on Sabbath about it, but didn't turn that sketch into fic until Sunday, and awkward fic at that.

Somewhere in there, I also sketched down some other stuff and have started to rethink my approach to this collaboration. I need something that doesn't fit easily into worldbuilding I've already done for any other story. It's not fair to thecatisacritic.

Also, trovia got me off on an amazing Avengers fanfic novel (I'm a sucker for brothers), so there's that. It took time to read and was good for when I was feeling totally bleh on the mental front.

To the counts:

October 24, 2013

Fiction: 1041 words - Month to Date: 29,911 words
Blog: 0 words - Month to Date: 8,803 words
Nonfiction: 48 words - Month to Date: 362 words

October 26, 2013

Fiction: 180 words - Month to Date: 30,091 words
Blog: 0 words - Month to Date: 8,803 words
Nonfiction: 0 words - Month to Date: 362 words

October 27, 2013

Fiction: 1139 words - Month to Date: 31,230 words
Blog: 0 words - Month to Date: 8,803 words
Nonfiction: 0 words - Month to Date: 362 words

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Random thoughts:

Precognition. I like the early edition idea.

I like childhood friends. Found this quote while I was looking for the other thing: http://scribble-myname.livejournal.com/83783.html. We could each grab a friend.

I don't care for the alien origin myself. I kind of like the more organic things, like genetic modification, etc., for example: ESP is actually built into the human brain at some level, think Phenomenon, but the brain operates normally at severely reduced capacity. Now, on a real life front, my theory is the Fall of man and all that. On a fictional level, what if some people have their brain function stimulated by something other than a terminal tumor and we limit to mental gifts?

Past origins, what if these two childhood friends after being estranged meet up again for some reason that neither of them are happy about and find out about the one's prescience and the other one has some other gift and they use it to prevent something that the prescient saw. (I like that word better than precog.)

thoughts?

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I liked Early Edition.

I don't like precognition, though. I really don't. God is the only one who has the ability to accurately prophesy, and I'm not comfortable with humans doing it even in fiction.

I do like the estranged friends reuniting, though.

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Of course, God always did it through people. That aside...

Thought here: being able to predict probability with sufficient factors available. Different. And who said accurate? When I use a label, I'm using it broadly to indicate a general concept. I'm not talking about prophesy, but about the ability to see where events are headed, not on a godlike level, more high-level, strong intuition.

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He relayed it through his prophets, but that didn't make the prophets the ones that knew. Most of them didn't, and some of them died hundreds of years before the prophecies were fulfilled.

I like intuition. Plenty of my characters have good intuition. I just don't like the prediction thing. It bothers me.

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Um... This is totally a theological tangent, but since my grandmother has accurately prophesied, I just want to point out that God is the power, but that doesn't mean the prophet's mind does not receive the prophecy. Of course, they KNEW what He said. They heard Him say it.

But like I said, that aside, I'm not talking prophecy here.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what intuition is then. 'Cause being able to understand the probable outcome of certain factors (not even what's going to happen, but what could if this, or what could if that) is intuition to me, somewhat prediction, but in no way prophecy.

Let me put it this way:

Spock the Vulcan. He could predict odds to a ridiculously accurate level due to eidetic memory, etc. With intuition, I'm thinking able to notice enough factors to coalesce/realize a probable picture of how things will go if this and this factor is true. For example: Recall's leaps of logic, just more accurate due to being more intuitive than deductive. Make sense? Of course, that doesn't even require special gifts. There are people who can do that if they're operating at genius level, but this would be the only area of genius.

Again, we don't have to use that gift, but it seems strange to rule it out by associating it with something it isn't.

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Whatever we come up with, fact is, I can't stand to not think through underlying genetics/functionality, so we'll certainly get it all hammered out scientific-like.

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I know we're going to need a scientific reason for me, too. I have to have that clarity because there are so many lines that I've drawn that I won't cross that are rather... tangled and convoluted.

I based Recall's strange leaps of logic on the things she carries in her head from all those peoples' memories and her training/experience as an agent. Most of my characters with intuition are agents/operatives/had to learn the hard way how people will act because they were in bad situations growing up, but that just gave them a sense of things going bad or knowing that people are up to no good when they approach, that sort of thing.

I don't like the idea of them being able to predict the exact circumstances or scenarios. That goes too close to one of those lines of mine.

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Fine enough. But I didn't say exact either. And like I said, I understand the line, but people who DON'T have "gifts" and are alive today can predict if this happens, that follows, so while I respect your line about not writing it, it happens in real life. People have hunches all the time that are uncannily accurate. I personally think it's the Holy Spirit, and I know geniuses also have it, but it exists. So there's that.

Thus, while I responded to your points, I moved on with my other set of questions. I'm not invested in using the ounce of prevention scenario, just thought I'd point out the rationality is there for what you wanted without suggesting the things you were concerned about.

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I don't think it's just needing a scientific reason though, because for example, I have the stories where the reader KNOWS it's nanobots and I make it abundantly clear, but the characters DON'T KNOW, so think it's magic.

I think it's more there are things you won't touch with a ten-foot-pole, and sometimes I think it's just something you need clear and it's really a ten-foot-pole thing, in which case science doesn't make a smidgen of difference. You just don't go there.

And that's okay. I have a list of things I just don't go there: mediums, vampires, were-creatures, murders, etc. to give an extremely tiny sampling of the whole. So yeah. We'll find each other's and that's okay.

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Yeah... I have a very long list of things I don't touch with the ten-foot pole, and that ten foot pole usually includes the implication of those things as well.

Mine does include most of those you listed off. I don't do mediums, vampires, or were-creatures, either. There's also magic, witches/wizards, prophecy, precognition, psychics (though I have watched shows where there were acknowledged fraudulent psychics like Psych and Mentalist,) destiny/fate, and demons...

And a lot of other things, too.

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Not just implication, which is how I get off on these tangents thinking that's what it is when it's a ten-foot-pole thing.

Because if it's blatantly obviously clear that it's not that, you still won't touch it, just as I won't touch scientific vampires that were created by a plausible science fiction origin and handled in a clearly different manner (yes, I'm thinking of a very specific example). I just won't touch it.

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No psychics, but you do telepaths? Now, I choose my phraseology, but I'm not sure there's a huge difference. I just looked it up. There isn't a difference. It's another word for what I just call mental or mind-based, which is technically what psychic means: mental. I don't use the word because of the connotations but yeah. So is telepathy out? Pretty basic stuff that.

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Like I said, my lines are convoluted.

Sounds almost like Stargate Atlantis' wraiths to me, and I was willing to watch that, at least for a while.

Psychics always seemed to me to get visions, and it was the source of the visions (like mediums) that bothered me, and as for telepaths...

I have been thinking for a long time that I shouldn't have anything to do with them. I've had a hard time sticking to that line, but part of the reason I didn't give many prompts for Cate was because she was a telepath (and yet I ended up crossing Recall with Special Unit, so you can see I'm not good about that line. It doesn't help that I liked Jean Grey and other telepaths before I tried to be more faithful and cut the inappropriate things out of my life.)

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I'm don't do mind control, but seeing as it's scientifically and chemically possible to mess with brain waves or read them, then I don't see a problem letting a human mind talk to another one, especially because the hard-wiring is so close to there.

So we'll skip it in this story, but recognize that it won't be nixed from Kingdoms and Thorn. In my vernacular, due to the meaning of the words, telepaths can essentially hear and talk with brain waves instead of mouths if they wish. Nothing crosses the line with that really. Mindreaders on the other hand are another kettle of fish as they do essentially mind meld and can only HEAR minds by either linking in or by being in the line of fire when someone projects thoughts.* In Kingdoms and Thorn speak, Recall is an aggressive touch mindreader. They are both broad categories but that's essentially how they operate.

*Thought projection is like when I'm thinking in the direction of a stoplight, Turn green!

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So at this point, we got childhood friends meeting back up, special gifts without origin or parameters as yet, and an undefined plot.

Maybe we should just start with the friends? Do you learn your premise as you write or is it always there first? And why are they coming back together now?

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It depends.

Sometimes I know from the beginning where the whole thing is going, and sometimes I just know a part of it. Sometimes I know next to nothing. Every story changes on me during the writing, so I don't do too much advance planning because that never seems to work for me. I'll get ideas of what should happen that can't because of what a character does, and then I have a freak out and abandon stories because I can't reconcile them...

I tend to get a slight sense of the characters and start building from there when I know enough to write about them.

I have had this thought in the back of my head for a while, something I never developed into anything more, but it was about a couple... She was in love with him and told him, but he didn't love her, so he moved away to spare her and there was a conversation between him and his friend as they drove back to his hometown about why he'd never asked her for any favors even though she had a successful business (computers, maybe?) that could have given him the answers he wanted years ago.

That doesn't have to be what draws them back together this time. I've done it with a death before, the mentor figure died and the funeral brought the other one home...

Just some thoughts/possibilities.

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So further questions:

Do you want to work out the special ability aspect beforehand or wing it?

Do you want to write the first piece or have me do it? :coughs: you :coughs:

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Probably should figure out what the special ability is first. Something like that is kind of... important to who a person is, and if it's touch based they'd have different ways of reacting than if it's thought or otherwise.

Did we decide why they're coming back together? And are we starting at the point of reunion... or should we look at why they got estranged?

I am willing to start. I think. I might regret that, though.

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I think yes and no. I switch up gifts to throw people off when I reuse characters, though there are some that will just have to cross over because I'm too attached to their capabilities, but I find that identity really isn't always tied to what one can do. Coping mechanisms are, but yeah. I often find the gift from the personality and how they would use it.

It's easier for me to match your tone I think. Heading to reunion would give us a chance to introduce our own characters for ourselves.

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I've generally worked the opposite way with special abilities. I didn't get a sense of Recall until I knew she pulled memories, and Cress being water is a huge part of who he is.

Okay. How many characters are we playing around with here? Are we possibly dealing with a family returning (possibly brother/sister or brother/brother) to rejoin the former friends?

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scribblemyname

Kinda depends on why they have to meet up again. That's something I'd probably have to write to know the answer to.

Edited Date: 2013-10-28 10:02 pm (UTC)

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This doesn't answer why they're headed back, and it's not fully formed, but this did come to me. Not sure what to do with it, but you can see it anyway...

“You planning on speaking at all during this drive?”

Not looking up from his book, he gave a slight shake of his head. Talking wasn’t on the list of things that had to be done today, and he was sticking to the list. Organization kept him sane, even if his lists annoyed everyone else he knew.

“You know you’ll have to talk sometime today. You can’t avoid it all day.”

That got a glance toward the mirror, meeting the eyes waiting for his response, but he shook his head, returning to the book. He could avoid it for the day, could avoid it for a lot longer if he wanted, and that might be what he chose to do for the duration of this trip.

“You are not going to spend the entire week not talking to any of us.”

He lifted the book, tempted to let it do the talking for him. Aimed properly, it would even stop the car, keeping them from reaching the destination he had no desire to see again.

“You’re not a child. Don’t act like one.”

He closed his eyes. Silence was still the preferable response. He could keep himself from reacting for a while longer, but if he was pushed, if he was provoked—he started down the list of things that calmed him, fulfilling each as he did.

“Leave him alone. We don’t need to lose the car—and I would like to get there alive.”

“It’s not that bad.”

He lost his place in the list, and then he lost his book. He studied his empty hands for a moment before kicking the front seat. “I hate both of you. You know that, don’t you?”

“Little brother is mad.”

“Yes, but little brother is talking again.”

“You didn’t have to push. Not everyone needs to talk.”

“And letting him glower is better?”

“I was not glowering. I was reading. Now I don’t have a book, and now I’m glowering.”

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scribblemyname

Sounds like a fun little family coming back, though it's interesting that it's the brother that doesn't WANT to come back, which makes it very interesting. Hmm... should I let you flesh this out or write the other party of this happy meetup?

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Well, we could figure out yours and let me figure it out on the fly.

What if everyone could have special abilities? What if it's just genetic but it's totally recessive and due to previous world-over bad reactions (read: genocide) it's gotten a lot rarer and some cultures probably think it's not possible/true and some do, etc. Thoughts?

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Ah, another question to ask:

Is this a separate world? Is it like Earth/modern society if it is?

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I'm open, but it might be easier if we weren't liable to Earth and made it an Earthlike otherworld. Does that make sense?

Do you have a preference?

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